We Don’t Know it All with Heidi Fagerness
Power Quote: I am a teacher
Teaser:
I’ve made an intentional effort this year to feature the voices of practitioners. I find the conversations to always be interesting and informative. Some guests are more high energy than others and I want to comment on that before we get into today’s interview.
I am hesitant to say “all leaders should bring the juice” as people need to be able to be authentic and different leadership styles work in different space and with different people. That said, we also need to recognize:People consistently look to their leaders for hopeThey look to leaders for cues on how to react to diversityThey look to leaders to inform if they should be focused on the good things or the bad things
In today’s interview, I want you to listen not only to what our guest says, but also how she says it. She is a 30-year veteran teacher and leader and she brings the passion and optimism of a first-year educator. She has an affirming presence that made me feel special even over Zoom.
Does every leader ne dot be positive, high energy, and inspiring. No? Maybe? I do know this – when I am in the presence of what I will call “lighthouse” leaders, I am more inspired, more confident, and more optimistic. And that, definitely, is what I want form my leaders. Before we begin,
I am hesitant to say “all leaders should bring the juice” as people need to be able to be authentic and different leadership styles work in different space and with different people. That said, we also need to recognize:People consistently look to their leaders for hopeThey look to leaders for cues on how to react to diversityThey look to leaders to inform if they should be focused on the good things or the bad things
In today’s interview, I want you to listen not only to what our guest says, but also how she says it. She is a 30-year veteran teacher and leader and she brings the passion and optimism of a first-year educator. She has an affirming presence that made me feel special even over Zoom.
Does every leader ne dot be positive, high energy, and inspiring. No? Maybe? I do know this – when I am in the presence of what I will call “lighthouse” leaders, I am more inspired, more confident, and more optimistic. And that, definitely, is what I want form my leaders. Before we begin,
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Show Intro
Guest Bio:
Heidi Fagerness lives in Southwest Washington and has served in education for 34 years—25 in special education and eight as an assistant principal. This year, she’s in her first year as principal at Chehalis Middle School. Heidi was honored as Washington State’s 2024 Assistant Principal of the Year. Her why is people, and the heart of her work is building connections that help every student belong and thrive.
Warmup questions:
- We always like to start with a celebration. What are you celebrating today?
- Is there a story that will help listeners understand why you are doing what you do?
Questions/Topics/Prompts
- We have many listeners who are new APs or new Principals, so I thought it would be good to have someone on who could speak to the benefits of being a member of NASSP. From the 40,000 foot view, why belong to a principal association?
- NASSP provides many PD opportunities for school leaders. What things have you participated in as a principal and what as an AP?
- Part of leadership self-care is having a support network, and a key component of that support group is a group of peers. How has your involvement with NASSP helped connect you with other school leaders?
- 2020 was a year like no other and it feels like 2025 has been similar. No bets on what 2026 will look like. It is a hard time at so many levels. I don’t think it has ever been more difficult to lead teachers, teach students, or get an education as it is now. Two questions:
- How do you take care of yourself?
- How are you helping others take care of themselves?
Sponsor Spot 2:I want to thank IXL for sponsoring this podcast…
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Everyone talks about the power of data-driven instruction. But what does that actually look like? Look no further than IXL, the ultimate online learning and teaching platform for K to 12. IXL gives you meaningful insights that drive real progress, and research can prove it. Studies across 45 states show that schools who use IXL outperform other schools on state tests. Educators who use IXL love that they can easily see how their school is performing in real-time to make better instructional decisions.
And IXL doesn’t stop at just data. IXL also brings an entire ecosystem of resources for your teachers, with a complete curriculum, personalized learning plans, and so much more. It’s no wonder that IXL is used in 95 of the top 100 school districts. Ready to join them? Visit ixl.com/assistant to get started.
Closing questions:
- What part of your own leadership are you still trying to get better at?
- If listeners could take just one thing away from today’s podcast, what would it be?
- Before we go, is there anything else that you’d like to share with our listeners?
- Where can people learn more about you and your work…
Summary/wrap up
- Connection, human connection, making it locally, but also in a broader network
- External connection provides perspective, support, and safety
- Lean on people, ask for help, remember you are giving others purpose
- Hope centered leadership and the internal algorithm
- Look for what you want to see – as an antidote for a world shoving in your face what you don’t want to see
Special thanks to the amazing Ranford Almond for the great music on the show. Please support Ranford and the show by checking out his music!
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Sponsor Links:
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Close
- Leadership is a journey and thank you for choosing to walk some of this magical path with me.
- You can find links to all sorts of stuff in the show notes, including my website https://www.frederickbuskey.com/
- I love hearing from you. If you have comments or questions, or are interested in having me speak at your school or conference, email me at frederick@frederickbuskey.com or connect with me on LinkedIn.
- If you are tired of spending time putting out fires and would rather invest time supporting and growing teachers, consider reading my book, A School Leader’s Guide to Reclaiming Purpose. The book is available on Amazon. You can find links to it, as well as free book study materials on my website at https://www.frederickbuskey.com/reclaiming-purpose.html
- Please remember to subscribe, rate, and review the podcast.
- Remember the secret to good leadership:
- Be intentional in choosing how you will show up for others
- Be fully present
- Ask reflective questions
- And then just listen
- Don’t overcomplicate it, the value is in the listening.
- Have a great rest of the week!
- Cheers!
Guest Links:
School phone: (360) 807 7230
Frederick’s Links:
Website: https://www.frederickbuskey.com/
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The Strategic Leader’s Guide to Reclaiming Purpose: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWRS2F6N?ref_=pe_93986420_774957520
