The Assistant Principal Podcast | The Listening Muscle with Elena Aguilar

The Listening Muscle with Elena Aguilar

July 1, 2025 / 26:13/E260

Before we get started, I have two quick announcements

1. I’ve been hearing a strong interest in how to support beginning teachers. I went into some key practices last year in episodes 214 and 215, so if you are in the mode to think about how to support your BTs (and ECTs), give a listen to episodes 214 and 215

2. The July 22 episode of The Assistant Principal Podcast we feature a panel discussion with myself and five assistant principals. Some are national/state AP of the Year awardees and others are just wrapping up their first year as assist principals. The focus of our discussion is being a first year AP! We would love to hear from you. If you have questions, topics, advice, or stories, please consider sharing. Please email them to me at frederick@frederickbuskey.com. I would love to be able to name contributors but will only do so if you explicitly give permission for us to include your name and affiliation. We are recording on July 15, so don’t wait.

Okay, now onto the episode…

Power Quote: “How do you want me to listen?”

Description:

Today’s guest is someone I consider to be a master at the art of coaching, which is appropriate as she wrote the best-selling book titled The Art of Coaching. I Had Elena Aguilar on the show a little over a year ago and we split the interview into two parts, episodes 204 and 205 (link in the show notes) because it was so rich and packed with powerful thoughts and techniques. This interview with Elena is even more dense – so much so that we are splitting it into three parts. In today’s section Elena and I dive into listening and there is so much packed into the span of fifteen minutes that I decided to release it as a full episode. If you listen closely, you’ll recognize that the discussion is embedded within the intro section of celebrations and stories. We didn’t even get to the main interview before Elena shared some wisdom that I wanted to put on its own, for your benefit.
After this conversation, I’ve added Elena’s thoughts on “the one thing leaders should take away.” It is consistent with today’s main topic, but I will also include it in each of the next two part of our discussion because it is so powerful I think we all, myself included, need to listen to it once a week.

Sponsor Spot 1: I’d like to thank Kaleidoscope Adventures for sponsoring today’s show. Lots of companies can help you organize class trips, but Kaleidoscope helps you organize adventures – because isn’t that what student trips should be? Kaleidscope is a full-service tour company offering a range of adventure opportunities and they excel at customizing trips based on your unique context, needs, and goals. Kaleidoscope offers exceptional travel experiences for students (and their group leaders). Thinking about student travel? Reach out to Kaleidoscope using the link in the show notes.

Show Intro

Guest Bio:

Elena Aguilar is a writer, leader, teacher, coach and podcaster. She is the author of eight highly acclaimed books including: The Art of Coaching, The Art of Coaching Teams, The PD Book: 7 Habits that Transform Professional Development, and the newly released Arise: The Art of Transformational Coaching. She has also been a frequent contributor to Edutopia, ASCD’s Educational Leadership, and EdWeek Teacher.
Elena is the founder and CEO of Bright Morning Consulting, an organization committed tohelping individuals and organizations create the conditions for transformation. She has taught tens of thousands of folks how to have conversations that build a more just and equitable world. Elena can be heard demonstrating these conversations on The Bright Morning Podcast.

Elena was a guest on episodes 204 and 205, June 2024

Warmup questions:

We always like to start with a celebration. What are you celebrating today?
Is there a story that will help listeners understand why you are doing what you do?

Sponsor Spot 3:I want to thank IXL for sponsoring this podcast…
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Closing questions:

What part of your own leadership are you still trying to get better at?
If listeners could take just one thing away from today’s podcast, what would it be?
Before we go, is there anything else that you’d like to share with our listeners?
Where can people learn more about you and your work…

Summary/wrap up

The first step to listening is to understanding self: our beliefs, our ways of being
Is the simple answer to everything listening? And asking good questions (which we dive into more in part 3)?
How do you want me to listen? Decreases power and increases trust.
Listening as a muscle (and how I exercised mine this morning).
We will release part 2 and 3 in back-to-back weeks at the end of July and first week of August, so consider today’s episode to be a teaser of more incredible part of our discussion. Links to my previous 2024 episodes with Elena (204 and 205) are in the show notes.
Our interview ended with “slow down” This July 4th week is a great time to practice that.

Thank you to our sponsors!